and> pleading with her to take off her mask? Bill is, after all, wearing a mask; not only that, butthe Mandy who was in Ziegler's bathroom the night before was 1. sodrugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense ofanything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligiblemumbling), Ziegler doing all the talking and explaining. that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, has> it confirmed by someone else (Ziegler)", > Ditto. You saw her volunteer to sacrifice herself so the orgy managers would let Doctor Cruise go free. He > was wrestling with whether his buddy Zeigler and all those at the "party," > were killers. If this were really thecase, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to themasked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" Amazing. I mean hewas filmed only in england, but the photography behind him in thatglove clapping shot is projected or whatever and so that means that hedidn't care that mucha bout switching things around like actresses andstuff, it's about masks anyway the movie is. Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. I think it is clear he was referring to the Somerton party. > Well thats all true, but of course that was SK making a masterpiece and > one of the most amazing films ever made IMO. While the final movie was greeted with somewhat mixed reviews at the time, the appreciation for Eyes Wide Shut has only grown since its 1999 debut. for the morgue scene but it is still meant to be the same Mandy. This is Eyes Wide Shut revisited. orpsychotherapists. I think it is clear he was referring to the Somerton party. Yes, the three scenes - at Ziegler's party, at the Somerton ritualthe following night, and at the hospital morgue the next day - thatfeature Mandy/the 'masked woman' - remain ambiguous to the end. What else could he call it? Simply because we don't really know the extent of the "charade," from the Illuminatii/Secret government etc, OR what SK really had in mind---to blow our mind. I had absolutely no idea you were involved in any way. > Mandy was not the same woman. Weve got a beautiful feminine version of the lead mask that features a baroque pattern and crystal embellishments, as well as a feathered mask similar to the For instance,it's fairly obvious from the start who the Mysterious Woman is. Milich even tried to talk Bill into renting a more colorful costume. And why should anyone acceptanything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman(or women) as "a hooker. If he wereZiegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privatelycommunicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly aspossible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Zieglersubsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like acomplete fool')? ", "Victor what can I say. The second, and more terrifying suggestion, is the mask is a final warning from the secret society for Bill to drop any further investigation or the fate that befell the woman who saved him could be visited upon Alice. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. The film centers on a profoundly unsatisfied couple tied together not by pure love, but by social convenience and appearances. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, ME> You can identify Pollack's eyes and chin quite easily in the close ups.>. Indeed, he appearsthoroughly confused: later with Ziegler in the poolroom, he asks, "thewoman at the party is the woman lying dead in the morgue." Yes, and we could speculate even further: there are no dream sequenceswhatsoever in the film, Alice's story about the navel officer being arecollection of her past desires, not a portrayed dream as such atall. The point, however, is that even if all three female'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the samecharacter), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not tomention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world. while walking down one of the NY streets, the background glowsbeautifucally. You can identify Pollacks eyes and chin quite easily in the close ups. WebThe protagonists mask (Bill Harford, interpreted by Tom Cruise) is a Venetian mask that covers the entire face. 20 years ago today, the final masterpiece from the late, great Stanley Kubrick arrived in theaters. It would be odd for him to say, "orgy," or ritual, etc. Sakyamuni had taught that simpleminded people of even blind faith are way ahead of these blabbering, eliteist, arrogant intellectuals. Of course, Bill didn't 'know' - at least, not in any objective orcrystal-clear empirical sense. - Zieglerwasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so asto avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is justbetween us"). That is what she was" implying that her deathis of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Zieglerchooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by theZieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by hisdesire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" You're coming across as yet another FUCKING TROLL!! Eyes Wide Shut cast Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman as a married couple, with the former playing a doctor who goes on a strange, sexually charged journey one night when his wife admits to having had adulterous thoughts. If it'ssupposed to be obvious, then why is it treated as such a great revelation,and why is a character who is presented as being reasonably intelligentso dense as not to see it? It is odd that Bill would remember his patient he hadn't seen in at least a year, owned "Rainbow Fashions?" Take another listen. And even if it was clear, even if he hadreferred directly to the events of the night before as the (Somerton)party, it would still be uncertain, because. at the >> ceremony/orgy.>, > Again, how is it 'clearly' the same voice?>. > the same time, being simple and concrete. How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all wearingmasks? One intriguing reading of the Eyes Wide Shut mask being on the pillow is that it's only in Bill's head as if he's exhausted by trying to hide his attempts at infidelity or true feelings from Alice, leading to an emotional breakdown. Next: The Shining: Why Stanley Kubrick Changed Stephen King's Story. You're coming across as yet another FUCKING TROLL!! But maybe he's just practicing forhis Boddhisatva qualification tests.- you know, the 'enlightening thegreat unwashed masses' thing. (4) With many people using Google maps-gps/satellite views scouring the earth, his Fortress of Solitude could be exposed. When I did this, at first it seems like a similar, but different face, but then seeing one frame of the bathroom scene from a certain angle, it jumped out at me that it was the same person, but I could be wrong. He didn't recognise her voice. I am normally the last guy in the> world to criticize somebody for using big words. She helps Bill at the But that's not the half of it. It was a > party nevertheless. "The ng will die when there are no longer any participants. How doesshe know this? :>I thought this film was much less interesting than the competing film. Again, how is it 'clearly' the same voice? I agree though, he hadnt made a defintiive connection yet. > Simply because we don't really know the extent of the "charade," from the > Illuminatii/Secret government etc, OR what SK really had in mind---to blow > our mind. "anachoronistic Deleuze and Guattari? Think of that journey as Dr. Bill's "living nightmare" or "daydream," which began after he left his wife. Let him go! It's "clear," after studying the film after many viewing. I agree though, he hadnt made a defintiive connection yet. WebBrowse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask women and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a community of small business-owners. ">> "Victor what can I say. reinforced bythe simple observation that you have never actually posted here before[at least under your supplied handle/ID]. After Dr. Bill Harford's wife, Alice, admits to having sexual fantasies about a man she met, Bill becomes obsessed with having a sexual encounter. There's like a billion posts here at alt.movies.kubrick and you cansearch the archives for this information. Those critics of EWS must have > been delerious. I am ready The silence of the empty mind, like the silent empty space we see in 2001, is the best path to curing your mania. >Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays >her voice in his head while looking over the body. Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let the> women there know that there was an interloper? --Napoleon. that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, hasit confirmed by someone else (Ziegler)", Ditto. Given that you have, as you already admitted, absolutely nounderstanding of the terms used or indeed the context in which theywere used, your pedantry is now exposed as pure and contemptiblefraudulence. >Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from the bathroom, till he happened to >see the news story and saw the name "Amanda," then it started to come >together. But what he was getting at was whether it was > murder and a sacrifice for him, which makes him feel responsible, since it > would not have happened had he not been there. I never siad Bill recognized him.we get to recognize him when we study it. > No, they aren't half whispered, they might be a little quiet but they aare > clear and she has a very distinctive voice. Was she the women at the party?" Wasn't the woman in the mask a lot skinnier than the ODd woman?? 10 Stanley Kubricks Sudden Death. One intriguing reading of the Eyes Wide Shutmask being on the pillow is that it's only in Bill's head as if he's exhausted by trying to hide his attempts at infidelity or true feelings from Alice, leading to an emotional breakdown. Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curransuffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make aconnection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafethat set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier servedas Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? Given how upset she appeared following his confession, it's very unlikely she knew exactly what he was out doing, however. In Eyes Wide Shut, Abigail Good plays a `Mysterious Woman'. How? Nevertheless, those two recollections(one of a fantasy, one of a dream) constitute the very desire whoseexclusion (from the quotidian, commonsensical, 'social reality' of theHarfords' marriage) the film is exploring. >> When we see the news article about dead Mandy, it says "Beauty Queen"> but how did Bill know that was the same woman who ODd or helped him at> the orgy, since he never knew the real name of either? and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing > this," Mandy says, "Ya." If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AzOnnrAlE8, http://www.celebsvideoarchive.com/videos/Julienne%20Davis/index.html, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvNO0BfBecc. andpleading with her to take off her mask? ". :>released around the same time, The Ninth Gate. So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figureon the basis of his eyes? ", and for those whom may have something like an actual interest in, > In rec.arts.movies.past-films Kelpzoidzl <. Statanic mass?>, > <<<<<<<<< He didn't recognise her voice. Much of what we have seen is Bill's non-verbal reactions to all this, which is full of shock and bewilderment. > that unless they are encoded in single frames for analysis will alwasy be > a mystery. Nah, the only dreams in the movie are the one that Alice tells to Billand then Bill "daydreams' (thinks about) her having sex with thatsailor. WebI n the film "Eyes Wide Shut", who was the masked woman that redeemed Tom Cruise's character? >Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from> the bathroom, till he happened to see the news story and saw the name> "Amanda," then it started to come together. The "over the rainbow" remark earlier at Zeigler's party was already a suggestion for Bill to think of his patient who owned "Rainbow Fashions." Bill is still even denying he knows what Zeigler > is talking about till Zeigler says "I was there at the house. ". reinforced bythe simple observation that you have never actually posted here before[at least under your supplied handle/ID]. He stares down at her but that'sit, and Kubrick tryied in vain to tlel his stories visually so itshould be considerd from a visual perspective. Orgy? So maybe they were all wearing walkie talkies under those masks, what do you want me to say..no, this IS left as a huge mystery. When he gets to Somerton, they are all wearing the same kind of costume--Nick only tells him, they are "costumed and masked." My extra-fat dictionary yields the following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots fromfrom its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface.". I found them both disappointing. >>>>>>>>>>That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a totaldenial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it'sall just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions ofBill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to sayingthat everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all'in his mind'). Mon 14th Feb 2022 19.00 GMT. What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning theidentities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps anddeadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just likeZiegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' ofevents. He then breaks down crying and confesses to Alice his misadventures of the past few days. Its common sense he was referring to Somerton as the party. Regardless of the different actresses in the credits, what I see is that the woman at the ceremony, who redeems him, apparently the "mysterious woman," has a small freckle/mole on her chest about 2 inches to her left side of center, above her breasts, which I think, can also be seen slightly on the corpse. I actually had to look that up. Mandy was not the same woman. EWS was potential. WebEyes Wide Shut (1999) Abigail Good: Mysterious Woman, Masked Party Principal Showing all 3 items Jump to: Quotes (3) Quotes Mysterious Woman : Stop! In fact, the only actual dream in the film is unseen, is onlylater described - namely, Alice's dream/nightmare about having sexwith numerous men (strikingly similar to the fate of the women atSomerton) in which Bill is openly humiliated, and told to Bill justafer he returns from Somerton. > But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the events> at Somerton as a 'party.'<<<<<<<. Some will sink but we will float.Grab your coat. 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